Israel and Gaza

[DownUnder]

So much heartache and bloodshed in Gaza at present. You have to question whether Israel's response to the Hamas attack a few weeks back isn't over the top given the amount of civilians that have died, some sources mentioning a figure of about 1,200 children - innocent victims of war. It's hard to understand how all this is going to end anytime soon, the hate and distrust on both sides have been stoked up over many decades and this has just escalated it further.

[Globalfightback]

For sure this whole thing is a mess, and for sure it's been a crisis that's been brewing for many years. The West has emboldened Israel time after time as it ignored international law regarding nuclear armaments, incursions into the West Bank etc. Having said that, it's not one-sided of course, and the Hamas attack into Israel was an atrocious assault on civilian life and one that seems naive considering the inevitability of the Israeli reaction and the equally inevitable failure of the international community to reign Israel in.

There are a significant number of jewish people that are protesting against Israel's ferocious attack on Gaza that has left thousands of women and children dead, but their voices are being ignored and even repressed by the Israeli government and the wider international community.

[DownUnder]

There have been some mentions elsewhere that it was Israel who actually created Hamas, apparently some Israeli commander is on record admitting that this was the case.

[Globalfightback]

There have been some mentions elsewhere that it was Israel who actually created Hamas, apparently some Israeli commander is on record admitting that this was the case.

Well if you use your search engine and are prone to typos you will find evidence that Israel helped to create hummus.

Anything's possible. But this article seems to reflect the general consensus that Israel didn't actually create Hamas, but did play a dangerous game of cloak and dagger that has come back to bite them:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231 ... ate-hamas/

[Froggers]

There are a significant number of jewish people that are protesting against Israel's ferocious attack on Gaza that has left thousands of women and children dead, but their voices are being ignored and even repressed by the Israeli government and the wider international community.

Israel appears to have been controlling the media narrative for many years. Take a look at this.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-a ... imes-46775

[Globalfightback]

Israel appears to have been controlling the media narrative for many years. Take a look at this.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-a ... imes-46775

This is perfectly plausible, there have been claims over recent years that Israel employs a posse to 'police' the likes of Wikipedia and 'readjust' negative content.

[Globalfightback]

Israel's arguments against South Africa's accusation of genocide in Gaza are looking increasingly flimsy, as this article illustrates. You can say anything with words, you can use words and statistics as an effective part of a smoke and mirror screen, but words and statistics, nor any any other part of a smoke and mirror screen, should not be confused with physical reality. There is no way in my opinion that you can excuse the deaths of 20k plus civilians, half of them children who no contortion of logic could effectively be classed as terrorists, as part of a legitimate self-defence operation. Nobody should underestimate the potential of this war to escalate into something much uglier, given, for example, the Iranian support for Houthi operations in the Red Sea against supposed Israel-friendly cargo vessels, combined with Russian support for Iran.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/1 ... -arguments

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Nobody should underestimate the potential of this war to escalate into something much uglier, given, for example, the Iranian support for Houthi operations in the Red Sea against supposed Israel-friendly cargo vessels, combined with Russian support for Iran.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/1 ... -arguments

It seems like WW3 might have been planned over 100 years ago. Check out the entry for 1871 at this source: https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/R ... family.pdf

For ease, I've copied and pasted below:

"1871: An American General named, Albert Pike, who had been enticed into the Illuminati by
Guissepe Mazzini, completes his military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions
throughout the world, culminating into moving this great conspiracy into its final stage.
The first world war is to be fought for the purpose of destroying the Tsar in Russia,as promised by
Nathan Mayer Rothschild in 1815. The Tsar is to be replaced with communism which is to be used
to attack religions, predominantly Christianity. The differences between the British and German
empires are to be used to forment this war.
The second world war is to be used to forment the controversy between facism and political
zionism with the slaughter of Jews in Germany a lynchpin in bringing hatred against the German
people. This is designed to destroy fascism (which the Rothschilds created) and increase the
power of political zionism. This war is also designed to increase the power of communism to the
level that it equalled that of united Christendom.
The third world war is to be played out by stirring up hatred of the Muslim world for the purposes
of playing the Islamic world and the political zionists off against one another. Whilst this is going
on, the remaining nations would be forced to fight themselves into a state of mental, physical,
spiritual and economic exhaustion."

[Globalfightback]

Nobody should underestimate the potential of this war to escalate into something much uglier, given, for example, the Iranian support for Houthi operations in the Red Sea against supposed Israel-friendly cargo vessels, combined with Russian support for Iran.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/1 ... -arguments

It seems like WW3 might have been planned over 100 years ago. Check out the entry for 1871 at this source: https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/R ... family.pdf

This is a fascinating document, and it's been around for years, long before the current war in Gaza, but whether those predictions of three world wars were actually made in 1871, before the two world wars that have taken place actually occurred (because they're uncannily accurate), is open to debate. The whole document is full of claims that aren't for the most part cross-referenced. Perhaps we should start a thread in the Conspiracy Theory forum to analyse it in more detail. Obviously, if this is an authentic reference to plans to create a third world war then it's extremely chilling given what's been taking place in the Middle East recently, and, of course, Ukraine and elsewhere.

The document is surely worthy of further analysis, at this point it's hard to prove whether or not it's merely a concoction of half-truths. The linked website allows it to be downloaded as a .pdf document, and this might be worthwhile since it's the sort of information that those who don't welcome honest and objective debate might seek to remove from the Web.

[Mithrandir777]

Worrying times for sure, as humanity once more fails big time a) to live free from fear, hate, greed, and paranoia towards fellow humans, and b) to learn from the grave and manifold mistakes of the past.